Cherniak may not realize it, but his removal of folks from Liblogs, and all the split that was caused by it, is a source of celebration for conservatives. Basically they are saying to Cherniak, keep up the good work, we love it.
I found one conservative blog where links are given to my blog, James Curran's blog, and a few other blogs as well (including the new aggregator, liberalsonline.ca, created by James Curran) talking about the split. Frankly, I find it disturbing that this situation has arisen. Here is the link: http://canadaconservative.blogspot.com/2009/01/liblogs-in-full-blown-revolt.html
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The Cons are loving the split - they feed off of it. There have been other posts & comments about it at Blogging Tory's & they are not nice. When there is "dissension in the ranks", so to speak, this is what happens. And the Cons can also get fodder for ads, remarks to the media, etc.
ReplyDeleteI'm not surprised. I was expecting it.
Morton is not leaving liblogs. He got upset about some comments criticizing his posting of a lot of trivial things (bear pics, poetry, whatever) & lots of them thus bumping other good posts off. It had nothing to do with what was going on at the aggregator with the I/P conflict.
Anyway, he's staying. Changed his mind, He can't take criticism. Simply put.
Have you seen the new layout at Liblogs? With all the Liberal parties, by Province listed on the left-hand side?
The Cons love Cherniak's right wing tendencies. They love his name-calling. He is part of their hatred and abuse. He is one them.
ReplyDeletepenlan, Cherniak has done too much damage and it will continue to happen as long as he behaves like a tyrant. And that is how he has been behaving.
ReplyDeleteI am a graduate of world’s the best university on politics-University of Knocks. I have some idea how politics works.
univesity on politics-University of Knocks.
No amount of face-lifting of the Liblogs will help.
Jymn, so true.
ReplyDeleteLeDaro,
ReplyDeleteYou aren't the only one who has learned through the school of hard knocks.
Hope you don't think I was criticizing you? If so you are wrong.
Interesting how the changes happening at Liblogs are occurring at the same time that Kinsella joined the aggregate. Perhaps I'm wrong but my gut is telling me he & Cherniak are working together at Liblogs now. The list of Lib Party's at the site now makes it look Liberal Party connected. Thought Cherniak didn't want that.
Crazy times. ;)
"The list of Lib Party's at the site now makes it look Liberal Party connected". It is a safe list because they are not going to criticize Iggy.
ReplyDeleteNo I do not think that you were criticizing me but I got the impression that you said that Liblog was doing well. I disagreed there. It will be too politically coloured and no independent thinking and independent thinkers will be quickly drowned. It is the extension of the same tendencies.
LeDaro,
ReplyDeleteNo I didn't say Liblogs was doing well. I don't like the list of the Lib party's & feel it stifles dissent even more as it is so obviously Liberal Party endorsed. It is now coming across that way to me. What you said: making it more difficult to criticize Iggy, & also Party policy. Especially if it swings further to the right.
I'm with you. :)
Penlan, sorry then I misunderstood you. Liblog is done as a public forum. It is Iggynation and Cherniaklogs now.
ReplyDeleteHey LeDaro,
ReplyDeleteCan't say that I "love" the "split" as penlan thinks I do. It's more like an, "We told you so", we could all see it coming a mile away, with all the junk that's going on within the Liberal Party right now.
I mean, seriously... the not-so-secret revolt to remove Dion, which Warren inadvertantly admitted was going on BEFORE OR DURING the previous election... Iggy couldn't even wait until the body was cold.
Then the orchastrated sidelining of Rae, which has resulted in the left of your Party seriously rethinking their support.
Now you've got a top-down imposed "party line" on the Gaza issue, an issue that more divisive within your Party than almost any other issue you could pick. Honestly, what on earth did your brain-trust think was going to happen?
Seriously, it's all so familiar... so, I don't know, 1990's.
Okay, so maybe I'm a little happy it's happening... but only because, as I've said for years, Canada would be better served on the whole if the Liberals lost their left flank to the NDP, and moved more centre... that would shave some of our own support over to you as well, but then we'd have a realistic three-party system that I think would allow for real coalition-building, and result in ebs and flows of power, from right to left and centre more regularly. And the people of Canada will have, for the first time ever, REAL choices when it comes to the ballot box.
Is that such a bad thing?
Christian Conservative, thank for your comment. You’re first Conservative who came to my blog and did not call me names. I may not agree with your views but I respect them. Harper needs more supporters like you if he is ever going to get a majority. But with all due respect most of his supporters never went to a school of good manners.
ReplyDeleteLiberals will find there way out of current fiasco. Sooner they do it better it is for the party and the country because your PM is taking us down a dangerous path of being complete patsy to Bush. Luckily Bush is leaving and Harper is going to get lonely.
As a born again Christian, my friend, you should oppose atrocious war in Gaza. Christ did not teach slaughtering of fellow human beings. I am surprised that Harper, being a good Christian, is supporting this slaughter.
Now you've got a top-down imposed "party line" on the Gaza issue, an issue that more divisive within your Party than almost any other issue you could pick. Honestly, what on earth did your brain-trust think was going to happen?
ReplyDeleteExactly what has happened.
Cherniak has a stiffy at that position and tried to ramrod down the gullet of all Liberal bloggers.
And, as penlan writes here, Jason is now trying to pass Libblogs as some semi-official with all the Liberal links. Nevermind that Charest is more akin to a connie than Liberal...
Christian Conservative wrote:
ReplyDelete"Now you've got a top-down imposed "party line" on the Gaza issue, an issue that more divisive within your Party than almost any other issue you could pick. Honestly, what on earth did your brain-trust think was going to happen?"
And Harper & the Con Party have EXACTLY the same thing : an imposed "party line" that has been in effect for years. Anyone who does not toe that line - in any form - is ousted. Examples: Garth Turner, Chuck Cadman, Bill Casey. ALL the Con talking points are parroted, word for word, by the majority of Con supporters & those who differ we never hear from.
My point in pointing this out is to say: look at yourself before you start accusing another Party. With the Lib Party we are talking only one area right now - with the Con Party it's everything.
You do have some valid points Christ C but that isn't one of them. :0
LeDaro,
ReplyDeleteYou're gonna love this. Lifted it from one of Kinsella's posts at Liblogs. He is talking about his ongoing defamation court case that has been brought against him.
He put this in the post:
"Dear Warren,
We are writing to offer you our personal support in your ongoing lawsuit with Ian Macdonald. From what we have read, it seems that Mr. Macdonald represents the supposedly respectable side of anti-Semitism in Canada.
When you are fighting a man like him in court, you are fighting for the cause of all reasonable Canadians. Anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers often rely on “free speech” to justify their hateful subversion of reality, yet they try silence those who disagree and thus deny a similar freedom.
Taking on this cause demonstrates your courage and conviction. It is very important for all Canadians that you prevail in defending your right to speak truth in the face of hate. Wishing you much deserved success.
Yours truly, Jason Cherniak, Meredith Caplan and Michael Levitt
Co-chairs, Liberal Friends of Israel"
This makes it so very obvious as to what has now happened at Liblogs. Liblogs is done.
Penlan,
ReplyDelete"It is very important for all Canadians that you prevail in defending your right to speak truth in the face of hate."
And what is little Cherniak doing on his shitty little blog-aggregate. Forgive me for the bad language. Their hypocrisy makes me sick in the stomach.
Let's not forget that James Curran recently resigned from Liberal Friends of Israel on Facebook.
ReplyDeleteWhile I have no love for Ian Macdonald, Warren K and Jason "I blow dead bears" do seem to have an agenda.
LeDaro,
ReplyDeleteAnd this one too:
"Anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers often rely on “free speech” to justify their hateful subversion of reality, yet they try silence those who disagree and thus deny a similar freedom."
Especially this part:
"...yet they try silence those who disagree and thus deny a similar freedom."
Hmmm...sounds exactly like Jason at Liblogs. like I said, Liblogs is done as fair & balanced. It's over.
And I don't mind your language either. ;)
Thank you Penlan and Cherniak_WTF. Your comments are much appreciated.
ReplyDeleteYep "I blow dead bears" and more and more of that. :)
As far as "freedom of speech". I feel sorry for this term. It is so abused. May be it is a "libel” to "freedom of speech” and someone should sue these morons for such a cruelty.